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Remote User:
Date:
29 Jun 2002
Time:
05:48:08
Comments
The bottom line is that JW's care more about their OWN salvation
than any other person's. More than their spouse, more than
their family, more than their own children. And they have
the cold-hearted, ignorant GALL to believe that God does,
too.
Remote User:
Date:
29 Jun 2002
Time:
06:20:37
Comments
I would add one more to the list of commandments....JOURNAL.....anxiety
can make the same thoughts come up over and over and over.
It FEELS like they are ENDLESS. But they are not. Organize
things in whatever way you like. But you might want to write
down, what - physically - happened. The actual event. Then
explore your feelings, how you felt about it, how you feel
about it, how you fear or anticipate or wish that you might
feel in the future, how you WANT to feel, etc., etc., etc.,
WHENEVER something comes up, write it down.....It is a very
comforting and calming feeling to reach the point where you
can now say that EVERYTHING is in these pages. And to realize
that tho this event has impacted your life tremendously, it
is not ALL that is your life. It is a part of your life. Only
one tragic part. Life, even your life, is bigger than that.
And now, you are living each day and each moment in a place
that is 'beyond' that event. My best to you.
Remote User:
Date:
29 Jun 2002
Time:
08:35:55
Comments
TO THE INSENSITIVE KNUCKLE-HEAD WHO WROTE THIS: -------- "HELLO
TO EVERYONE: .....why is there the same blow hards and not
anything new? Where is the mole? We something fresh and intelligent.
where are those who are doing something? WHERE ARE YOU? NOTHING
WORTH ANYTHING IS BEING STATED TO MAKE CHANGES. mole we need
you. Mole, you spoke of reformation, change, and strife to
make things better. so far this once and very informative
site has gone dry with babble that will only make WTS LAUGH
AT US. Has the well gone dry now that THE many have forgotten
the NBC PROGRAM?.......brother from tahoe park congregation
in Sacramento." --------- This site is for HURTING SOULS,
Mr./Ms. INSENSITIVE. And what, prey tell, are YOU DOING ABOUT
ANYTHING? What INTELLIGENCE & FRESHNESS are YOU bringing
to the Guestbook? Read the posts/updates from SILENT LAMBS.
Go see the Wizard of Oz and GET A HEART & a BRAIN while
you're at it. -- SL Cheerleader
Remote User:
Date:
29 Jun 2002
Time:
08:48:26
Comments
Brother from Tahoe Park: This site is not just about reform
of the WTS. This place is for the silentlambs to use this
site anyway they want to. *************** Some people are
having trouble just getting through one moment at a time. New
stories are coming in everyday,- everyday. This is a place
for the lambs to SCREAM with outrage. This is a place of ENCOURAGEMENT
to speak out. The main theme also is to let people who thought
THEY WERE THE ONLY ONES, to find out they were not. This is
the beginning of SANITY.**********Without sanity one can do
nothing.*******Your word "blowhard" is rude and
insensitive to the needs of the silentlambs. NO ONE CARES
WHAT THE WTS THINKS ABOUT THIS SITE. IT IS NOT HERE TO IMPRESS
THEM!!******why do you want to intimidate people here???????????????
I personally don't want one silent lamb to be "bullied" with
intimidation, ESPECIALLY FROM A BROTHER, the lambs have had
enough of that.*******cLAUDINE
Remote User:
Date:
29 Jun 2002
Time:
09:03:04
Comments
Age 33 wrote: "Thanks, SLC! Just to make it clear, my
molester was NOT a witness. My mom said that since he wasn't
a witness, I should forget about it and shouldn't mind about
the WTS's policy. I think not.." ----- Hi Age 00! ;)
My molester/rapist was not a JW either, but since I was a
JW myself, I still feel DEEPLY ATTACHED TO THIS CAUSE. Jehovah
can use us too, if we let Him. If I may take a guess: Your
Mom wants YOU to forget about it SO SHE CAN FORGET ABOUT IT.
(It's my guess some Moms don't want to think about it 'cuz
it makes them feel too guilty/responsible, etc.). I'm with
you, and say, "I THINK NOT, Mom!" -- Sorry about
picking your age as a salutation... You're still a babe in
the woods, believe me! ;) -- Love, SLC
Remote User:
Date:
29 Jun 2002
Time:
09:37:36
Comments
RIGHT ON SISTER CHEERLEADER! from Claudine
Remote User:
Date:
29 Jun 2002
Time:
09:47:27
Comments
Dear CE thanks so much for the encouragement I woke up from
a good night of sleep i hope some how we can stay in touch
if u want to my email is kingskid2004@juno.com would love
to hear from you it helps to have people to talk to sometimes
today i am resting and just enjoying life am finding out to
God i am someone special that's a good feeling Penny
Remote User:
Date:
29 Jun 2002
Time:
09:54:27
Comments
SCL hey thanks for the encouragement too and sometimes it
is nice hearing we are loved especially when u haven't heard
it growing up if u wanna stay in touch please feel free too
take care Penny
Remote User:
Date:
29 Jun 2002
Time:
10:57:20
Comments
Dear PENNY & ALL SILENTLAMBS;;;;;;; I LOVE ALL OF YOU
;;;; You are always in my prayers. I know what it is like
to be silenced.When I was WRONGLY DISFELLOWSHIPPED,I did not
know that I was going to be DF'd,my family was at the meeting
that night, I was at work, my sister called & told me
how upset she was!!!, when they made the announcement.I immediately
left work, went home & called the man in charge, & asked
him WHY he did this to me??? he did not have the answer. after
about an hour & 15 min. he said [ I GUESS YOU HAD A BAD
ATTITUDE ] So 20 yrs later, when I got myself REINSTATED I
was told never ever to tell my SECRET to anyone not even other
ELDERS,or I would be DF'd again BUT THEY WOULD TELL ME [
FIRST ] this time!!!!!!!!!!.So you see honey, the TRUTH will
set us FREE. JEHOVAH GOD knows we are telling the truth Time
enables us, to heal from our sorrow, but we will never forget,It
has been a long and lonely road we travel,a terrible injustice
has been committed and it will be made known.I was an ADULT
and could not deal with it... I can only imagine what it would
do to a CHILD. May you all have some of my strength, because
all of this, has made me a very STRONG person.Fear of GOD
is GOOD, FEAR OF MAN IS VERY VERY DESTRUCTIVE TO THE HEART & SOUL & VERY
VERY WRONG!!!! MY LOVE TO EVERY ONE OF YOU. Searchi50@ aol.com
Remote User:
Date:
29 Jun 2002
Time:
11:12:26
Comments
DEAR SLC---- Hi,it's Jesika. I thank you for your response.
I am trying to do everything I can. There are things I am
involved in currently that I can not disclose at this time.
I will after the fact. The ones who told me my flashbacks
and nightmares were a means of getting attention came from
my parents. My mom in inactive and has since then retracted
that statement. She now knows it was real. My father is still
active (they are divorced now-he had an affair with a married
sis. in the same cong. who he is now married to!!!!) To the
one time user comment you made about me feeling defensive--I
felt I needed to enlighten whoever had posted to me,since
they obviously did not understand what this site is about.
I will be in touch. Thanks again SLC Jesika Thoman Dallas,Tx
Remote User:
Date:
29 Jun 2002
Time:
12:30:44
Comments
Hi there is no end to the hurt the WT caused to people and
is still causing everywhere. Child molestation sexual abuse
etc. is only one aspect of it all though a very tragic one.
There are other hurts associated with deception false prophesying
( unfulfilled promises ) destroyed families. There is absolutely
no end to the guilt of WT. I often wonder about the possibility
of bringing the WT Society to Court in a type of CLASS SUITE
in US and Canada. There are more than adequate number of us
that are anxious to support this idea to it's realization.I
personably know many just in my are that are praying for that!
I also wonder if it would be appropriate to mention those
elders that caused us harm by name in our communications.
Many would be warned and protected by this simple act! That's
what I would like to do but maybe that is illegal. Could someone
comment on that please? Rmnk
Remote User:
Date:
29 Jun 2002
Time:
12:33:08
Comments
This site is simply God sent. Thank you. Praised be the Lord!
Remote User:
Date:
29 Jun 2002
Time:
13:57:13
Comments
Regarding the 'Why don't you do something?' comment.....go
to watchtowerinformationservice.org. Click on the tab for
psychological issues 'Psychological'. Read the paper on Child
Custody. (It blows my mind to learn that about HALF of all
child custody hearings in the country involve J.W.s').....This
it a GREAT paper. WHY is the 'Author Unknown'???????? To the
'do something' person, see how bizarre things get around JWs?????
Remote User:
Date:
29 Jun 2002
Time:
14:06:17
Comments
TO RMNK---- The Class Suit you referred to has been mentioned
by others in earlier posts. I have been involved in talking
to lawyers about my own case and others close to me. I will
be in contact with a lawyer the beginning of this week, so
I will ask about the Class Suit and what all it would require
to do so. As far as mentioning the names of elders in your
communications, I would suggest you contact a lawyer in your
area to see what the pros and cons might be. It may vary from
state to state, but it would be in your best interest to get
all the facts before you proceed. I will post the results
of my conversation with the lawyer in regards to the Class
Suit. I will probably post on Wed. Thanks Jesika Thoman Dallas,
Tx
Remote User:
Date:
29 Jun 2002
Time:
15:57:03
Comments
Linda T- I would like to comment on what you said. I have
dealt with the JW DF'd issues for a very long time. One thing
I have learned is that if you are DF'd by the KH bullies;
and do not plan to crawl back to those who are still crying "the
sky is falling," if they act as if you are dead it is
the best thing for you. It is so much worse to try to have
a relationship with people or groups that will not respect
personal boundaries. It is not the shunning itself that is
painful, it is how JW's are forced to implement it (Even if
they do not want to.). JW's work to HURT you. My personal
experience is they work as a collective to do it. They know
that the best way to do that is to hurt those who love you.
All dictatorships do this. (By dictatorship I mean any society
where individuals have no rights, no constitution, and are
a the mercy of a small group of elitists.) You know, "if
the JW (WTS) government ever gains true power it would be
hell on earth." The way they work is so similar to most
of the Islamic world. Study how they (Islamic law) treat the
people in that world. Look at how they treat women, children,
and anyone who does not submit mind and body to their versions
of the deity. Anyway I will get off target if I say to much……..People
have commented on nightmares. Have any of the dreams been
about spiders? Big scary spiders after you and the ones you
love…You awake and are convinced they are real and might
even scream and rip the covers off your bed?….Anyone???
SLC-The "borg" (Star Trek) represent a very powerful "group
society" that is seeking the perfection of sentient life
(Perfection according to and meaning them exclusively.). They
see "individualism" as irrelevant and have no respect
of it what so ever. If any "drone" is separated
from the collective it ceases to function. It even goes into
withdrawal due to the severing from the "Commonality." If
you have been in the hive too long and are separated you are
programmed to die rather than live outside the collective.
They have a central "Queen-mother" that controls
all functions of the borg collective and the drones do whatever
she commands without question. Any defection from within or
resistance from the outside is crushed with totalitarian idealism
and zeal. The greatest threat to the borg is fact that individuals
can keep their individuality and work as a collective. A borg
collective thinks with a uniform "one mind," individual
collectives think with many minds "as one" working
in unity. -Sequia//////////P.S. I hope that you all know how
much I respect you all for coming here and sharing your thoughts.
I did not realize how many survivors of JW mistreatment (criminal
and ethical) there are out here. I know that many books have
been recommended I am adding one. Steven Hassan "Releasing
The Bonds." Give it to families you know of that have
people in "The club." It a book that is for everyone,
(As JW illnesses affect entire families and not just individuals.)
Remote User:
Date:
29 Jun 2002
Time:
15:57:06
Comments
Linda T- I would like to comment on what you said. I have
dealt with the JW DF'd issues for a very long time. One thing
I have learned is that if you are DF'd by the KH bullies;
and do not plan to crawl back to those who are still crying "the
sky is falling," if they act as if you are dead it is
the best thing for you. It is so much worse to try to have
a relationship with people or groups that will not respect
personal boundaries. It is not the shunning itself that is
painful, it is how JW's are forced to implement it (Even if
they do not want to.). JW's work to HURT you. My personal
experience is they work as a collective to do it. They know
that the best way to do that is to hurt those who love you.
All dictatorships do this. (By dictatorship I mean any society
where individuals have no rights, no constitution, and are
a the mercy of a small group of elitists.) You know, "if
the JW (WTS) government ever gains true power it would be
hell on earth." The way they work is so similar to most
of the Islamic world. Study how they (Islamic law) treat the
people in that world. Look at how they treat women, children,
and anyone who does not submit mind and body to their versions
of the deity. Anyway I will get off target if I say to much……..People
have commented on nightmares. Have any of the dreams been
about spiders? Big scary spiders after you and the ones you
love…You awake and are convinced they are real and might
even scream and rip the covers off your bed?….Anyone???
SLC-The "borg" (Star Trek) represent a very powerful "group
society" that is seeking the perfection of sentient life
(Perfection according to and meaning them exclusively.). They
see "individualism" as irrelevant and have no respect
of it what so ever. If any "drone" is separated
from the collective it ceases to function. It even goes into
withdrawal due to the severing from the "Commonality." If
you have been in the hive too long and are separated you are
programmed to die rather than live outside the collective.
They have a central "Queen-mother" that controls
all functions of the borg collective and the drones do whatever
she commands without question. Any defection from within or
resistance from the outside is crushed with totalitarian idealism
and zeal. The greatest threat to the borg is fact that individuals
can keep their individuality and work as a collective. A borg
collective thinks with a uniform "one mind," individual
collectives think with many minds "as one" working
in unity. -Sequia//////////P.S. I hope that you all know how
much I respect you all for coming here and sharing your thoughts.
I did not realize how many survivors of JW mistreatment (criminal
and ethical) there are out here. I know that many books have
been recommended I am adding one. Steven Hassan "Releasing
The Bonds." Give it to families you know of that have
people in "The club." It a book that is for everyone,
(As JW illnesses affect entire families and not just individuals.)
Remote User:
Date:
29 Jun 2002
Time:
20:31:55
Comments
I don't think it's fair to compare Jehovah's Witnesses with
the Catholic Church. You need to remember that the Catholic
Church is the result of Constantine's absorption of the last
few remaining Christian bishops and pagan leaders who combined
Christian and pagan beliefs, honed them to make Christians
happy and the Catholic Church began to be formed. From her,
the major Orthodox religions sprang forth. All of them respecting
each one's "territories" but not much different
from the other. These represent the great apostasy that took
place after the death of the apostles. Their RECORD is that
of violating Jehovah God's laws and principles and teaching
false religion and traditions of men. It is my opinion that
there are a number who would like to see some of the changes
you are trying to effect. The world headquarters needs to
become more involved with the "local" matters. Moses
and Solomon handled the disputes and matters OF THE PEOPLE.
Where would they have ended up in the desert if Moses didn't
HANDLE, not wait on Jehovah God to resolve, these disputes?
Would Solomon have gained high repute if he didn't WISELY
know how to handle the dispute between the two women and one
baby? There is much frustration for people who seek resolutions
to matters only to find no one is willing to truly listen
and make just decisions. Catholic priests are also guilty
of having sex with girls and women. Ezekiel's book tells us
that Jehovah's organization is going to be suffering the SIDE
EFFECTS of what this old system is undergoing in these last
days. All I can say is, if THESE are the SIDE EFFECTS, I would
HATE to know what is REALLY going on in this old system. We
are also living in times when Jehovah God is going to REVEAL
EVERYTHING. No one is going to be able to hide ANYTHING. His
organization and people are NOT exceptions. If we are not
handling matters appropriately Jehovah God will know that
we do not respect his arrangement for handling matters and
we will not fare well -- at least not those who have disregarded
and, thusly, shown gross disrespect for his arrangement. Remember
what happened to Korah when they insisted on taking their
matters to Jehovah God, himself! It's time, as an organization,
we looked at ourselves for what we are -- all grown up with
MILLIONS OF LIVES we are responsible for -- and we need to
make changes that reflect a greater understanding of what
Moses and Solomon stand before us as examples. We need to
care about our people and we need to handle matters rather
than expecting Jehovah to ultimately take care of everything.
When HE does, he will know we DIDN'T and we will not fare
well at all. Lest we want fire to rain down on us and the
earth to open up and swallow us, we need to give ear to our
critics -- especially those who are within our organization.
However, since Jehovah God can make the one on the right to
stand and the one on the left (and visa versa) to fall, it's
comforting to know that HE has the discretion to not destroy
all those with SINCERE HEARTS who WANT to do what is right
and, at times, are thwarted by those who misrepresent, either
willfully or inadvertently, his worship and instructions for
HANDLING difficulties and problems among us. I only ask that
YOU do not forget what your ORIGINAL MISSION was and you keep
working to the end of agreeable changes from headquarters.
Remember, you're dealing with PEOPLE. Jehovah God is not a "people" --
HE does not condone wrongdoing from anyone, ESPECIALLY not
HIS OWN ORGANIZATION. If they don't listen, stay in the TRUTH
but don't stand too close to those who don't listen and make
appropriate changes.
Remote User:
Date:
29 Jun 2002
Time:
20:33:41
Comments
I don't think it's fair to compare Jehovah's Witnesses with
the Catholic Church. You need to remember that the Catholic
Church is the result of Constantine's absorption of the last
few remaining Christian bishops and pagan leaders who combined
Christian and pagan beliefs, honed them to make Christians
happy and the Catholic Church began to be formed. From her,
the major Orthodox religions sprang forth. All of them respecting
each one's "territories" but not much different
from the other. These represent the great apostasy that took
place after the death of the apostles. Their RECORD is that
of violating Jehovah God's laws and principles and teaching
false religion and traditions of men. Also, their atrocities
over CENTURIES is a matter of HISTORICAL RECORD. It is my
opinion that there are a number who would like to see some
of the changes you are trying to effect. The world headquarters
needs to become more involved with the "local" matters.
Moses and Solomon handled the disputes and matters OF THE
PEOPLE. Where would they have ended up in the desert if Moses
didn't HANDLE, not wait on Jehovah God to resolve, these disputes?
Would Solomon have gained high repute if he didn't WISELY
know how to handle the dispute between the two women and one
baby? There is much frustration for people who seek resolutions
to matters only to find no one is willing to truly listen
and make just decisions. Catholic priests are also guilty
of having sex with girls and women. Ezekiel's book tells us
that Jehovah's organization is going to be suffering the SIDE
EFFECTS of what this old system is undergoing in these last
days. All I can say is, if THESE are the SIDE EFFECTS, I would
HATE to know what is REALLY going on in this old system. We
are also living in times when Jehovah God is going to REVEAL
EVERYTHING. No one is going to be able to hide ANYTHING. His
organization and people are NOT exceptions. If we are not
handling matters appropriately Jehovah God will know that
we do not respect his arrangement for handling matters and
we will not fare well -- at least not those who have disregarded
and, thusly, shown gross disrespect for his arrangement. Remember
what happened to Korah when they insisted on taking their
matters to Jehovah God, himself! It's time, as an organization,
we looked at ourselves for what we are -- all grown up with
MILLIONS OF LIVES we are responsible for -- and we need to
make changes that reflect a greater understanding of what
Moses and Solomon stand before us as examples. We need to
care about our people and we need to handle matters rather
than expecting Jehovah to ultimately take care of everything.
When HE does, he will know we DIDN'T and we will not fare
well at all. Lest we want fire to rain down on us and the
earth to open up and swallow us, we need to give ear to our
critics -- especially those who are within our organization.
However, since Jehovah God can make the one on the right to
stand and the one on the left (and visa versa) to fall, it's
comforting to know that HE has the discretion to not destroy
all those with SINCERE HEARTS who WANT to do what is right
and, at times, are thwarted by those who misrepresent, either
willfully or inadvertently, his worship and instructions for
HANDLING difficulties and problems among us. I only ask that
YOU do not forget what your ORIGINAL MISSION was and you keep
working to the end of agreeable changes from headquarters.
Remember, you're dealing with PEOPLE. Jehovah God is not a "people" --
HE does not condone wrongdoing from anyone, ESPECIALLY not
HIS OWN ORGANIZATION. If they don't listen, stay in the TRUTH
but don't stand too close to those who don't listen and make
appropriate changes.
Remote User:
Date:
29 Jun 2002
Time:
20:45:48
Comments
I don't think it's fair to compare Jehovah's Witnesses with
the Catholic Church. We need to remember that the Catholic
Church is the result of Constantine's absorption of the last
few remaining Christian bishops and pagan leaders who combined
Christian and pagan beliefs, honed them to make Christians
happy and the Catholic Church began to be formed. From her,
the major Orthodox religions sprang forth. All of them respecting
each one's "territories" but not much different
from the other. These represent the great apostasy that took
place after the death of the apostles. Their RECORD is that
of violating Jehovah God's laws and principles and teaching
false religion and traditions of men. Also, their atrocities
over CENTURIES is a matter of HISTORICAL RECORD. Catholic
priests are also guilty of having sex with girls and women.
It is my opinion that there are a number who would like to
see some of the changes you are trying to effect. The world
headquarters needs to become more involved with the "local" matters.
Moses and Solomon handled the disputes and matters OF THE
PEOPLE. Where would they have ended up in the desert if Moses
didn't HANDLE, not wait on Jehovah God to resolve, these disputes?
Also, because there were so many matters of the people that
needed handling, Jehovah God gave Moses, IMMEDIATELY, 70 older
men to HELP HIM. This tells ME that Jehovah God EXPECTS AND
SUPPORTS helping his people resolve issues effectively by
those taking the lead among his people. Would Solomon have
gained high repute if he didn't WISELY know how to handle
the dispute between the two women and one baby? There is frustration
for people who seek resolutions to matters only to find no
one is willing to listen and truly make just suggestions for
resolutions or decisions in personal matters. That translates
to having no one to offer genuine guidance. It seems sort
of CHICKEN, don't you think? Ezekiel's book tells us that
Jehovah's organization is going to be suffering the SIDE EFFECTS
of what this old system is undergoing in these last days.
All I can say is, if THESE are the SIDE EFFECTS, I would HATE
to know what is REALLY going on in this old system. We are
also living in times when Jehovah God is going to REVEAL EVERYTHING.
No one is going to be able to hide ANYTHING. His organization
and people are NOT exceptions. If we are not handling matters
appropriately Jehovah God will know that we do not respect
his arrangement for handling matters and we will not fare
well -- at least not those who have disregarded and, thusly,
shown gross disrespect for his arrangement. Remember what
happened to Korah when they insisted on taking their matters
to Jehovah God, himself! It's time, as an organization, we
looked at ourselves for what we are -- all grown up with MILLIONS
OF LIVES we are responsible for -- and we need to make changes
that reflect a greater understanding of what Moses and Solomon
stand before us as examples. We can't leave our people "in
the lurch". We need to care about our people and we need
to handle matters rather than expecting Jehovah to ultimately
take care of everything. When HE does, he will know we DIDN'T
and we will not fare well at all. Lest we want fire to rain
down on us and the earth to open up and swallow us, we need
to give ear to our critics -- especially those who are within
our organization. We need to NAKEDLY EXAMINE why some are
not with us anymore. Rather then labeling them as apostates
or something else that is derogatory, we need to LISTEN. However,
since Jehovah God can make the one on the right to stand and
the one on the left (and visa versa) to fall, it's comforting
to know that HE has the discretion to not destroy all those
with SINCERE HEARTS who WANT to do what is right and, at times,
seem to be thwarted by those who misrepresent, either inadvertently
or willfully, his worship and instructions for HANDLING difficulties
and problems among us. It's not a shame or sin to have problems
among us. The shame or sin is NOT HANDLING THEM PROPERLY AND
TIMELY. I only ask that YOU do not forget what your ORIGINAL
MISSION was and you keep working to the end of agreeable changes
from headquarters. Remember, you're dealing with PEOPLE. Jehovah
God is not a "people" -- HE does not condone wrongdoing
from anyone, ESPECIALLY not HIS OWN ORGANIZATION. If they
don't listen, stay in the TRUTH but don't stand too close
to those who don't listen and make appropriate changes --
you don't want to get any of that fire rain on you or to fall
into the pit of the earth tearing open.
Remote User:
Date:
29 Jun 2002
Time:
20:46:20
Comments
I don't think it's fair to compare Jehovah's Witnesses with
the Catholic Church. We need to remember that the Catholic
Church is the result of Constantine's absorption of the last
few remaining Christian bishops and pagan leaders who combined
Christian and pagan beliefs, honed them to make Christians
happy and the Catholic Church began to be formed. From her,
the major Orthodox religions sprang forth. All of them respecting
each one's "territories" but not much different
from the other. These represent the great apostasy that took
place after the death of the apostles. Their RECORD is that
of violating Jehovah God's laws and principles and teaching
false religion and traditions of men. Also, their atrocities
over CENTURIES is a matter of HISTORICAL RECORD. Catholic
priests are also guilty of having sex with girls and women.
It is my opinion that there are a number who would like to
see some of the changes you are trying to effect. The world
headquarters needs to become more involved with the "local" matters.
Moses and Solomon handled the disputes and matters OF THE
PEOPLE. Where would they have ended up in the desert if Moses
didn't HANDLE, not wait on Jehovah God to resolve, these disputes?
Also, because there were so many matters of the people that
needed handling, Jehovah God gave Moses, IMMEDIATELY, 70 older
men to HELP HIM. This tells ME that Jehovah God EXPECTS AND
SUPPORTS helping his people resolve issues effectively by
those taking the lead among his people. Would Solomon have
gained high repute if he didn't WISELY know how to handle
the dispute between the two women and one baby? There is frustration
for people who seek resolutions to matters only to find no
one is willing to listen and truly make just suggestions for
resolutions or decisions in personal matters. That translates
to having no one to offer genuine guidance. It seems sort
of CHICKEN, don't you think? Ezekiel's book tells us that
Jehovah's organization is going to be suffering the SIDE EFFECTS
of what this old system is undergoing in these last days.
All I can say is, if THESE are the SIDE EFFECTS, I would HATE
to know what is REALLY going on in this old system. We are
also living in times when Jehovah God is going to REVEAL EVERYTHING.
No one is going to be able to hide ANYTHING. His organization
and people are NOT exceptions. If we are not handling matters
appropriately Jehovah God will know that we do not respect
his arrangement for handling matters and we will not fare
well -- at least not those who have disregarded and, thusly,
shown gross disrespect for his arrangement. Remember what
happened to Korah when they insisted on taking their matters
to Jehovah God, himself! It's time, as an organization, we
looked at ourselves for what we are -- all grown up with MILLIONS
OF LIVES we are responsible for -- and we need to make changes
that reflect a greater understanding of what Moses and Solomon
stand before us as examples. We can't leave our people "in
the lurch". We need to care about our people and we need
to handle matters rather than expecting Jehovah to ultimately
take care of everything. When HE does, he will know we DIDN'T
and we will not fare well at all. Lest we want fire to rain
down on us and the earth to open up and swallow us, we need
to give ear to our critics -- especially those who are within
our organization. We need to NAKEDLY EXAMINE why some are
not with us anymore. Rather then labeling them as apostates
or something else that is derogatory, we need to LISTEN. However,
since Jehovah God can make the one on the right to stand and
the one on the left (and visa versa) to fall, it's comforting
to know that HE has the discretion to not destroy all those
with SINCERE HEARTS who WANT to do what is right and, at times,
seem to be thwarted by those who misrepresent, either inadvertently
or willfully, his worship and instructions for HANDLING difficulties
and problems among us. It's not a shame or sin to have problems
among us. The shame or sin is NOT HANDLING THEM PROPERLY AND
TIMELY. I only ask that YOU do not forget what your ORIGINAL
MISSION was and you keep working to the end of agreeable changes
from headquarters. Remember, you're dealing with PEOPLE. Jehovah
God is not a "people" -- HE does not condone wrongdoing
from anyone, ESPECIALLY not HIS OWN ORGANIZATION. If they
don't listen, stay in the TRUTH but don't stand too close
to those who don't listen and make appropriate changes --
you don't want to get any of that fire rain on you or to fall
into the pit of the earth tearing open.
Remote User:
Date:
29 Jun 2002
Time:
20:47:08
Comments
I don't think it's fair to compare Jehovah's Witnesses with
the Catholic Church. We need to remember that the Catholic
Church is the result of Constantine's absorption of the last
few remaining Christian bishops and pagan leaders who combined
Christian and pagan beliefs, honed them to make Christians
happy and the Catholic Church began to be formed. From her,
the major Orthodox religions sprang forth. All of them respecting
each one's "territories" but not much different
from the other. These represent the great apostasy that took
place after the death of the apostles. Their RECORD is that
of violating Jehovah God's laws and principles and teaching
false religion and traditions of men. Also, their atrocities
over CENTURIES is a matter of HISTORICAL RECORD. Catholic
priests are also guilty of having sex with girls and women.
It is my opinion that there are a number who would like to
see some of the changes you are trying to effect. The world
headquarters needs to become more involved with the "local" matters.
Moses and Solomon handled the disputes and matters OF THE
PEOPLE. Where would they have ended up in the desert if Moses
didn't HANDLE, not wait on Jehovah God to resolve, these disputes?
Also, because there were so many matters of the people that
needed handling, Jehovah God gave Moses, IMMEDIATELY, 70 older
men to HELP HIM. This tells ME that Jehovah God EXPECTS AND
SUPPORTS helping his people resolve issues effectively by
those taking the lead among his people. Would Solomon have
gained high repute if he didn't WISELY know how to handle
the dispute between the two women and one baby? There is frustration
for people who seek resolutions to matters only to find no
one is willing to listen and truly make just suggestions for
resolutions or decisions in personal matters. That translates
to having no one to offer genuine guidance. It seems sort
of CHICKEN, don't you think? Ezekiel's book tells us that
Jehovah's organization is going to be suffering the SIDE EFFECTS
of what this old system is undergoing in these last days.
All I can say is, if THESE are the SIDE EFFECTS, I would HATE
to know what is REALLY going on in this old system. We are
also living in times when Jehovah God is going to REVEAL EVERYTHING.
No one is going to be able to hide ANYTHING. His organization
and people are NOT exceptions. If we are not handling matters
appropriately Jehovah God will know that we do not respect
his arrangement for handling matters and we will not fare
well -- at least not those who have disregarded and, thusly,
shown gross disrespect for his arrangement. Remember what
happened to Korah when they insisted on taking their matters
to Jehovah God, himself! It's time, as an organization, we
looked at ourselves for what we are -- all grown up with MILLIONS
OF LIVES we are responsible for -- and we need to make changes
that reflect a greater understanding of what Moses and Solomon
stand before us as examples. We can't leave our people "in
the lurch". We need to care about our people and we need
to handle matters rather than expecting Jehovah to ultimately
take care of everything. When HE does, he will know we DIDN'T
and we will not fare well at all. Lest we want fire to rain
down on us and the earth to open up and swallow us, we need
to give ear to our critics -- especially those who are within
our organization. We need to NAKEDLY EXAMINE why some are
not with us anymore. Rather then labeling them as apostates
or something else that is derogatory, we need to LISTEN. However,
since Jehovah God can make the one on the right to stand and
the one on the left (and visa versa) to fall, it's comforting
to know that HE has the discretion to not destroy all those
with SINCERE HEARTS who WANT to do what is right and, at times,
seem to be thwarted by those who misrepresent, either inadvertently
or willfully, his worship and instructions for HANDLING difficulties
and problems among us. It's not a shame or sin to have problems
among us. The shame or sin is NOT HANDLING THEM PROPERLY AND
TIMELY. I only ask that YOU do not forget what your ORIGINAL
MISSION was and you keep working to the end of agreeable changes
from headquarters. Remember, you're dealing with PEOPLE. Jehovah
God is not a "people" -- HE does not condone wrongdoing
from anyone, ESPECIALLY not HIS OWN ORGANIZATION. If they
don't listen, stay in the TRUTH but don't stand too close
to those who don't listen and make appropriate changes --
you don't want to get any of that fire rain on you or to fall
into the pit of the earth tearing open.
Remote User:
Date:
29 Jun 2002
Time:
21:59:24
Comments
Yawn.
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
05:46:29
Comments
""
I don't think it's fair to compare Jehovah's Witnesses with
the Catholic Church"' No, you are right, as Catholics
are not brainwashed and don't think they are the best people
on earth!!!
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
05:55:08
Comments
Indeed, YAWN! Wonder from which Awake the text is taken!
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
06:21:18
Comments
FYI - a small book that should be included in everyone's 'Farewell
WTS' gift basket:--------"Stop Being Manipulated" by
George H. Green, PhD and Carolyn Cotter, MBA.------Tell me,
am I the only one who finds themselves often manipulated and
intimidated in life?------As I see it, I was trained by the
best to the fine art of victimization. Anyone else?
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
07:15:20
Comments
April 20, 10:29 "....who have studied the history of
the Watchtower Society, whose founder and first president
was a child molester." Where is this information available????
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
09:05:10
Comments
To Whoever wrote the above comments to me, thank you. In one
of my earlier posts I mentioned that I have found the loss
of family, friends, etc within the witness organization to
not be that much of a loss. I've been reading Ray Franz 4th
edition of Crisis of Conscience and still finding myself very
moved by the details of the goings on within the headquarters/governing
body. Having been raised as a witness, we are taught that
love is conditional, whereas the rest of the world says love
is supposed to be unconditional. That has been a real tough
thing for me personally to overcome. When I hear on occasion
through one of my children that my own parents Love me....I
just doesn't cause me to feel anything at all. I guess I'd
be honest to say that I've become numb in a sense to those
words coming from my "family". Those words just
don't mean anything to me anymore. The purpose and goal of
disfellowshipping, and the subsequent result of no contact
with family is of course to "move people to repentance" and
cause the disfellowshipped ones to return to the organization.
Well, that simply isn't going to happen, at least not for
me. I will never be able to remove from my memory what happened
with the Malawi brothers vs the Mexican brothers. I will never
be able to get that out of my mind, amongst other things.
I have never felt more free than I do now, being out of that
robot organization. I have posted this before, but I got engaged
last weekend but I will not be sending invitations to any
one in my "family", nor will I send announcements
of our marriage to them either. They choose to treat me as
though I'm dead, so I don't feel any need to inform them of
the pure joy and happiness I've been experiencing. I have
many friends that I would say qualify as my family now, so
good riddance to the Thoman Empire. Linda Thoman Linthoman0705@aol.com
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
09:47:30
Comments
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
09:48:26
Comments
Dear Linda, congratulations on our engagement! You go girl!!
Take care, Europe
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
10:25:20
Comments
Well, I got my American Flag in protest to the UN deception
and especially for the Malawi’s! I am not “worshipping” the
flag; I am not pledging my allegiance to anyone but God. I
think I can TRUST MYSELF enough to put the flag out and still
know that Jehovah is God, and His kingdom is real. I think
I can TRUST GOD enough to know he would not kill me merely
because I put a flag in my yard. It is symbolic of the freedom
to make a HARMLESS choice of raising the flag in reply to
the HARMFUL decisions the WTS made/and continues to make.
It also symbolizes the court of laws in this country to bring
to justice (sometimes) those who commit a crime, which is
a RIGHT that the WTS has tried to take away from it’s “citizens.” ***********I
find it terrible that I have to explain, justify even to myself
about putting a flag in my yard!*************but I did it
anyway!==========C.E.
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
10:43:00
Comments
The information I posted is found in the BIBLE. Try reading
it sometime. Even if some of the information is from the AWAKE!,
it would STILL quote from the BIBLE. However, it's not from
the AWAKE!. These are MY words based on READING THE BIBLE
every day, stumbling through the parts I don't understand
or find difficult to read but I keep reading and understanding
does happen. Lots of people have pain from life's experiences.
Most likely ALL people have pain from traveling this road
-- living. The BIBLE is NOT impervious to our pain and it
teaches us how to live so as to mitigate our pain. It's not
the pain that is the challenge -- it's how we handle it. We
can use it to effect POSITIVE CHANGES or we can let it eat
us up so that we become worse than our offender or offenders.
You spend your life being hurt by them and, honestly, they
don't spend a nano-second being "bothered" by you.
When that happens, THEY WON. No matter what someone or others
have done to us, there comes a time when it is no longer "them" --
it becomes us. For every single person, there's a certain
time to be hurt and mourn over the thing or things that have
been done to us when we were innocent and trusting, however,
after that time, we need to put all those things behind us
(forget? no, we don't forget), pick ourselves up and move
on. We, ultimately, are responsible for our own lives. We
can't do ANYTHING about what has happened in the past to us.
We can, though, do something about what WILL happen to us
from now on. It's the "world's" saying that "today
is the first day of the rest of my life". It's OUR CHOICE
as to where we'll go from there -- our painful place. What
do YOU choose?
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
10:46:55
Comments
Why don't Catholics have a web site where they can truly express
their real feelings? Can't take the "heat" from
those who would be so nasty to you for telling it the way
they really feel?
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
10:53:11
Comments
HI: Is everyone aware of the new website http://www.meetup.com/
Go to exjws This is a must see !!!!!!It's a GOD SEND for me.
Hope you enjoy it!!!!! later***** Searchin50
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
16:11:18
Comments
Re: Catholics have just finished - and are still
- dialoguing with ANY Catholics who are interested in being
heard on the subject. They have held in person meetings all
over the country where anyone can speak and have input. They
have taken countless submissions from interested parties,
on paper, in person and via the internet......Further, they
are talking about any future decisions about any future wrong doings
being assessed by a panel comprised of lay people who include
abuse survivors. Any questions? In addition to all of this,
their every move is in the daily newspapers across the country
and beyond to which you have easy access. Be careful not to
assume things you know nothing about. It's a learned Witness
trait and it does not serve ANYONE's purpose, including your
own.
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
17:40:24
Comments
To Europe....LOL, you sorta forgot the letter "Y" when
you wrote about "our" engagement. It should have
said Congratulations on Your engagement. LOL Linda Thoman
(I am not engaged to Europe...)
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
17:58:50
Comments
Enter the Daily Text for Sunday, June 30 Those who are a strong
people will glorify you; the town of the tyrannical nations,
they will fear you.-- Isa. 25:3. Saturday, June 29 | Monday,
July 1 Was Babylon the Great ever forced to acknowledge Jehovah's
powerful works? Yes. During the first world war, Jehovah's
anointed servants preached under tribulation. In 1918 they
went into spiritual captivity when leading brothers among
God's people were imprisoned. The organized preaching work
virtually ceased. Then, in 1919, Jehovah restored them and
reinvigorated them with his spirit, whereupon they set out
to fulfill the commission to preach the good news in all the
inhabited earth. (Mark 13:10) All of this was prophesied in
the book of Revelation, as was the effect upon their opponents.
These "became frightened and gave glory to the God of
heaven." (Rev. 11:3, 7, 11-13) Not that they all were
converted, but they were forced to recognize the powerful
work of Jehovah on this occasion, just as Isaiah had foretold.
w 3/1/01 16, 17 Excerpt from "Examining the Scriptures
Daily 2002". © 2001 WatchTower Bible & Tract
Society of PA
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
17:59:28
Comments
http://jwzone.org Enter the Daily Text for Sunday, June 30
Those who are a strong people will glorify you; the town of
the tyrannical nations, they will fear you.-- Isa. 25:3. Saturday,
June 29 | Monday, July 1 Was Babylon the Great ever forced
to acknowledge Jehovah's powerful works? Yes. During the first
world war, Jehovah's anointed servants preached under tribulation.
In 1918 they went into spiritual captivity when leading brothers
among God's people were imprisoned. The organized preaching
work virtually ceased. Then, in 1919, Jehovah restored them
and reinvigorated them with his spirit, whereupon they set
out to fulfill the commission to preach the good news in all
the inhabited earth. (Mark 13:10) All of this was prophesied
in the book of Revelation, as was the effect upon their opponents.
These "became frightened and gave glory to the God of
heaven." (Rev. 11:3, 7, 11-13) Not that they all were
converted, but they were forced to recognize the powerful
work of Jehovah on this occasion, just as Isaiah had foretold.
w 3/1/01 16, 17 Excerpt from "Examining the Scriptures
Daily 2002". © 2001 WatchTower Bible & Tract
Society of PA
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
18:19:18
Comments
http://www.greaterthings.com/Topical/Mountain_Meadows_Massacre/index.html
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
18:45:39
Comments
http://www.katiet.com/index.htm You could each write a book
about your experiences.
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
18:47:49
Comments
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
18:50:06
Comments
http://www.afn.org/~monica/index.html
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
18:52:23
Comments
I really do not care about the daily text that the second last
poster put on. Too many things that the Watchtower has printed
in the past have been fluff that didn't happen. Why would
one think that what they print today is any different? 1975
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
18:53:05
Comments
WHO keeps posting the daily text???????? I personally could
care less what the daily text has to say-- it makes me sick
to my stomach just looking at it!!!!!! If I needed to have
some sort of daily scripture to start my day--I will find
one on my own!!!!! I definitely don't want the society telling
me how and why it applies, or any history of the JW's-- there
is plenty of info out there, and I don't want the info from
them--they LIE!!!! Jesika Thoman Dallas, Tx
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
18:58:15
Comments
Right on Jesika 1975
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
19:05:15
Comments
http://www.gospelcom.net/mlm/Ped.html
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
19:07:03
Comments
TO 1975--- I am glad I am not the only one who feels that
way. Good grief, if I wanted to be preached to I would go
to the KH!!!!!!!! You had posted while I was writing mine.
I thought it was funny that you posted right before I had!!!
Love Jesika Thoman Dallas, Tx (by the way-1975 was the year
I was born)
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
19:17:22
Comments
Thanks Jesika Yes I think that it is funny also, that we were
both writing the same thing at the same time. You from the
deep south and me from the frozen north(Canada). Just goes
to show you that the whole North America is getting tired
of the same old record that plays the same old tune. Take
care!
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
19:18:50
Comments
http://www.hotstreak.net/anti/news/0301/nfn010301a.html
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
19:23:42
Comments
http://www.primaryerror.net/1killer.html
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
19:24:35
Comments
http://www.gospelassemblyfree.com/gac/yoke.html
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
19:25:33
Comments
http://home.hetnet.nl/~ex-baba/engels/articles/profile.html
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
19:28:10
Comments
http://www.thelinkup.com/stats.html
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
19:43:20
Comments
Lighten up! http://sblomberg.com/cbs/ Church humor.
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
20:01:54
Comments
The smallest deed is greater than the grandest intention.
http://sblomberg.com/cbs/PAGE10.HTM Lighten up!
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
20:30:15
Comments
On April 20th, at 10:29 someone posted the following: "For
those of us who have studied the history of the Watchtower
Society - whose founder and first president [Charles Taze
Russell?] was a child molester, the strictures of Watchtower
policies, written and [?], which serve to shield the Organization
(and hence often the perpetrator) at the expense of the victim
are not seen as arising from sheer chance or incompetence.
There is evidence of design. [Signed,] Focus - (One who knows
the beast) class"----------------------------------------------------------------------WHO
WROTE THIS? IS THIS TRUE? IF THIS IS TRUE, IT IS POWERFULLY
RELEVANT BUT I CAN'T FIND IT ELSEWHERE. IS THERE REALLY EVIDENCE
SOMEWHERE THAT C.T. RUSSELL WAS A PEDOPHILE??????????
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
20:31:00
Comments
On April 20th, at 10:29 someone posted the following: "For
those of us who have studied the history of the Watchtower
Society - whose founder and first president [Charles Taze
Russell?] was a child molester, the strictures of Watchtower
policies, written and [?], which serve to shield the Organization
(and hence often the perpetrator) at the expense of the victim
are not seen as arising from sheer chance or incompetence.
There is evidence of design. [Signed,] Focus - (One who knows
the beast) class"----------------------------------------------------------------------WHO
WROTE THIS? IS THIS TRUE? IF THIS IS TRUE, IT IS POWERFULLY
RELEVANT BUT I CAN'T FIND IT ELSEWHERE. IS THERE REALLY EVIDENCE
SOMEWHERE THAT C.T. RUSSELL WAS A PEDOPHILE??????????
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
20:49:30
Comments
Re: Catholics ------- The question was, why don't Catholics
(added: or any other religion for that matter) have WEB SITES
where their people can just speak out (meaning the way people
speak out here)? This is in response to some of the very hostile
remarks that are made here about JWs and how someone, if they
see them, will follow them around and tell everyone how horrible
they are -- that JWs are their own worst enemies. So, it naturally
follows to ask, then, why don't Catholics (and I'm adding
any other religion -- not wanting to single out only Catholics)
have a WEB SITE (not controlled forums such as formal meetings,
radio or TV telecasts, newspapers, magazines, etc.) where
THEIR OWN PEOPLE can speak out anonymously and FREELY about
how THEY feel with regard to their own experiences within
their own organization -- such as what exists at THIS web
site. The issue is, is it because they can't take the "heat" of
someone writing such dastardly things at them because they're
honest enough to express their true feelings? It was, somewhat,
sarcasm because the threatening and hateful tone of the posting
proved EXACTLY WHY people prefer to NOT talk freely -- because
of the lack of compassion, understanding and hateful talk
that threatens. Here you have people TALKING HONESTLY and
FREE TO SAY WHAT THEY WANT and there's ALWAYS someone who
is going to battle such honesty. Simply because these are
the expressions of SOME people -- even though credible --
they don't necessarily mean it is the way everyone feels,
has experienced, or wants things handled. However, such a
reaction is an EXCELLENT EXAMPLE of why PEOPLE KEEP THEIR
MOUTHS SHUT -- no matter WHAT religion they are. Fear of reprisals
or attacks. I, personally, am deeply sorry for ANY pain and
suffering ANY person has experienced within their religious
organization. However, that does NOT mean that EVERYONE is
a hypocrite, predator or victim within their organization.
To go around threatening SLANDER to ANYONE YOU SEE, whether
in your neighborhood or elsewhere, is the INSANITY THAT KEEPS
PEOPLE FROM COMING FORWARD. This poster just proved a point
that could not be ignored. Instead of ATTACKING, get a web
site and let your own people freely talk. I don't doubt AT
ALL that you're going to find people of EVERY SORT having
similar experiences. You want to punish anyone in the entire
group for what a few have done. Isn't that like the Taliban?
------- LBJ
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
21:55:52
Comments
"
Why Don't Catholics Have Websites?" They do, but the
need to have an anonymous website where one can 'finally open
up' and 'speak freely' is not so dire as it is within the
WTS because Catholics ALWAYS have freedom of speech.-----We
speak openly amongst ourselves, amongst our friends, family,
parish, to our priests and others. There is no cover-up (not
speaking of any cover-up initiated by the abuser, which is
VERY common everywhere). There is no denial (not that everyone
is necessarily of one mind, initially. It's a difficult subject).
But people are FREE to talk. It's one of the GREAT things
about being an American. It's only the WTS which tries to
inhibit that freedom by manipulation, intimidation and other
means. I hope this answers your question. The lack of a 'silentlambs'
website for Catholics (and perhaps others???) is because the
need is not the same as it is here. We're not searching futilely
for someone to listen, validate, and believe us. And we believe
you, too.
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
23:17:16
Comments
Dear All, My heart goes out to the victims of abuse and I
commend you for speaking up. Mr. Bowen, thank you for taking
such an important stance. I pray God gives you strength and
perseverance to help more silentlambs. It is sad some witnesses
feel this site is bashing them. Can they not see people are
hurting and this website gives them the opportunity to speak
without feeling ashamed or under attack? God is using Mr.
Bowen I believe. Please pray for healing for these victims.
Stop ignoring their cries and viewing this as an attack on
your religion. Thank you.
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
23:20:17
Comments
Dear Friends, I have taken the past week and have read all
the entries in this Guestbook as of Friday evening. It saddens
me greatly to hear of your stories of the abuse. Although
I have never been a JW myself, I am married to an active JW.
His reactions have been typically the same responses I have
seen here, ones of denial and trying to discredit the people
and Dateline. I was abused physically, mentally and emotionally
as a child and once had a cousin "attempt" to sexually
abuse me, I know the fear I had at that one occurrence, I
could not imagine living a life full of that fear. You are
all in my prayers. Mr. Bowen: You are an exceptional man,
with a high moral standard and should be commended for your
efforts with this site and with Dateline and the exposing
of such a heinous crime as this against our children. You
are man to be admired and respected, not looked down on and
accused of "causing divisions", this is an outrage
what they are trying to do with you. I have followed your
story since I first saw a report on this issue over a year
ago on CNN. I have waited anxiously for Dateline to air, and
watched continuously your website for updates. I was upset
at the WTBTS when they stopped, but kind of expected it too.
Mr. Bowen, you are doing the right thing, and do not let anyone
ever tell you that you are not. I hope to hear updates on
Erika and the others soon, would even like to correspond with
her if she would like to, you may forward my email address
to her if you wish. To the people who have come on this site
and used all sorts of profanity and the likes, although we
may not know who you are, whether you are JWs or not, there
is ONE that does know for certain, and there is no hiding
ANYTHING from Him. One day we all have to give an account
for our actions. Even you. With Christian Love and respect,
Barbara Naftis bnaftis@cs.com
Remote User:
Date:
30 Jun 2002
Time:
23:20:59
Comments
Please forgive the typos, it is very late here and I am tired.
Thanks, Barbara
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